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	<title>Comments on: DeMint, Coburn pull Senate plug on pork spending</title>
	<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/</link>
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		<title>by: Fritz McGee</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-8010</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We're not talking about &quot;thousands&quot; of decisions, we're talking about earmarks.

You think being against earmarks is tantamount to &quot;hijacking&quot; the Republican party (which currently has a party platform of limited taxes and spending), and Ronald Reagan and I disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not talking about &#8220;thousands&#8221; of decisions, we&#8217;re talking about earmarks.</p>
<p>You think being against earmarks is tantamount to &#8220;hijacking&#8221; the Republican party (which currently has a party platform of limited taxes and spending), and Ronald Reagan and I disagree.
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7986</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Presdient Reagan also voted for amnesty.  Pulling out one decision out of thousands doesn't due your argument or his legacy justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presdient Reagan also voted for amnesty.  Pulling out one decision out of thousands doesn&#8217;t due your argument or his legacy justice.
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		<title>by: Fritz McGee</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7859</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7859</guid>
					<description>Ronald Reagan once vetoed a transportation bill because it had 151 earmarks.  I guess he was also guilty of hijacking the Republican party.  What a jerk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald Reagan once vetoed a transportation bill because it had 151 earmarks.  I guess he was also guilty of hijacking the Republican party.  What a jerk!
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7850</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7850</guid>
					<description>Again, that is not what I said.  I think government should be as small as possible while still providing the needs of the economy and the country.  You're not actually reading what I am writing, but rather taking what I am writing and creating hyperbole out of it.  I actualy said that programs could and should be cut.  I see no need for a lot of government programs, but at the same time I do not hold the view of some right wing think tanks who would arbitrarily kill programs they do not understand.  

Also I don't have a &quot;stiffy&quot; for wasteful earmarks, I think they are wrong and hurt the vast marjority of programs that are credible and have federal dollars directed to them.  However, I respect the system of governing our Founding Fathers created.  The Bridge to Nowhere probably should not have been included in that bill (I say probably only because I don't know the ins and outs of the communities needs) (note: this is an example of actually thinking about something instead of immediatley discounting it).  However, I respect the fact that a majority of elected officials thought that it should be included.  Don't hate the bridge, unelect the people who voted for the bridge if that is important to you.  

You're argument is akin to those who wish to outlaw guns because bad people use them.  

Finally, it's people like you that we are in the minority right now.  I am no where near moderate, but if you had your choice I would not be allowed in the party.  If we keep going down this road we will be in the same place the Democrats have been the past 20 years or so.  Liberals highjacked the Democratic party, now the far far right conservatives are trying to highjack the Republican party.  To me its extremely saddening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, that is not what I said.  I think government should be as small as possible while still providing the needs of the economy and the country.  You&#8217;re not actually reading what I am writing, but rather taking what I am writing and creating hyperbole out of it.  I actualy said that programs could and should be cut.  I see no need for a lot of government programs, but at the same time I do not hold the view of some right wing think tanks who would arbitrarily kill programs they do not understand.  </p>
<p>Also I don&#8217;t have a &#8220;stiffy&#8221; for wasteful earmarks, I think they are wrong and hurt the vast marjority of programs that are credible and have federal dollars directed to them.  However, I respect the system of governing our Founding Fathers created.  The Bridge to Nowhere probably should not have been included in that bill (I say probably only because I don&#8217;t know the ins and outs of the communities needs) (note: this is an example of actually thinking about something instead of immediatley discounting it).  However, I respect the fact that a majority of elected officials thought that it should be included.  Don&#8217;t hate the bridge, unelect the people who voted for the bridge if that is important to you.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re argument is akin to those who wish to outlaw guns because bad people use them.  </p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s people like you that we are in the minority right now.  I am no where near moderate, but if you had your choice I would not be allowed in the party.  If we keep going down this road we will be in the same place the Democrats have been the past 20 years or so.  Liberals highjacked the Democratic party, now the far far right conservatives are trying to highjack the Republican party.  To me its extremely saddening.
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		<title>by: Fritz McGee</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7846</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7846</guid>
					<description>Smaller government for the sake of having smaller government would be a bad thing?  You, sir, are not a conservative, which is why you have a such a stiffy for wasteful earmarks and big government spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaller government for the sake of having smaller government would be a bad thing?  You, sir, are not a conservative, which is why you have a such a stiffy for wasteful earmarks and big government spending.
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7842</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7842</guid>
					<description>I like you're style Fritz, you ignore the debate and throw out a soundbite.  It's kinda like watching Al Shapton get stumped on a talk show.  

Also, I did not defend the &quot;Bridge to Nowhere&quot; I was defending democracy.  Secondly, I was insinuateing that irrationally shrinking the federal governement just for the sake of shrinking would be a bad thing.  I never said there were not programs that could be cut or minimized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like you&#8217;re style Fritz, you ignore the debate and throw out a soundbite.  It&#8217;s kinda like watching Al Shapton get stumped on a talk show.  </p>
<p>Also, I did not defend the &#8220;Bridge to Nowhere&#8221; I was defending democracy.  Secondly, I was insinuateing that irrationally shrinking the federal governement just for the sake of shrinking would be a bad thing.  I never said there were not programs that could be cut or minimized.
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		<title>by: Fritz McGee</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7835</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7835</guid>
					<description>For those who don't feel like reading all that crap, our friend Anon just 1) defended the Bridge to Nowhere, and 2) seemed to insinuate that shrinking the federal government would be a bad thing.  What a true conservative!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t feel like reading all that crap, our friend Anon just 1) defended the Bridge to Nowhere, and 2) seemed to insinuate that shrinking the federal government would be a bad thing.  What a true conservative!
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7767</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7767</guid>
					<description>First off, to say that any elected official who request an earmark for their constitiuents is corrupt is a HUGE leap.  If you really believe that, then about 99% of Congress is corrupt.  These Members are simply there doing what they were elected to do -- represent their district or state.  The &quot;Bridge to Nowhere&quot; wasn't actually to know where, but it did only benefit a few people.  That being said, bridges aren't exactly cheap to build and those people don't exactly have a lot of options on getting off the island.  Now the question of whether it should or should not have been included was debated on the floor of the Senate (as it should have been) and a majority of Senators supported said bridge.  That's kinda how a democracy works and we kinda have the greatest government in the world.  If your Member voted for the bridge and you disagree then you should vote against him or her in the next election if it's that important to you.  But the bottom line is our system of government played out and that was the result, that has been the result on every earmark challenge I can remember.  

My biggest problem with these members who hem and haw about earmarks is that they are so disingenious and I have a really hard time respecting them on this issue.  They know their counterparts are going to request earmarks and their state will get taken care of so they can do their political grandstanding.  When I see a Senator or a Congressman go to the floor of their respective body and offer amendments to strip earmarks that help their consitiuents then I will have respect for them.  But the problem is, Senator Coburn or McCain or whoever will NEVER go down and offer amendments to strip every earmark that helps their state. Why?  Because they know it would be political suicide and the people of their state they were elected to represent would not be happy campers. They will simply attack other states and then run to a press conference.  

In the end, you have three options.  One, allow Congress to control the purse strings.  Two allow the Executive Branch to control the purse strings (ie career employees, who are unaccountable and unelected).  Three, just don't spend the money, which depending on how you define an earmark could largely shrink the federal government, while stifling economic growth and trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, to say that any elected official who request an earmark for their constitiuents is corrupt is a HUGE leap.  If you really believe that, then about 99% of Congress is corrupt.  These Members are simply there doing what they were elected to do &#8212; represent their district or state.  The &#8220;Bridge to Nowhere&#8221; wasn&#8217;t actually to know where, but it did only benefit a few people.  That being said, bridges aren&#8217;t exactly cheap to build and those people don&#8217;t exactly have a lot of options on getting off the island.  Now the question of whether it should or should not have been included was debated on the floor of the Senate (as it should have been) and a majority of Senators supported said bridge.  That&#8217;s kinda how a democracy works and we kinda have the greatest government in the world.  If your Member voted for the bridge and you disagree then you should vote against him or her in the next election if it&#8217;s that important to you.  But the bottom line is our system of government played out and that was the result, that has been the result on every earmark challenge I can remember.  </p>
<p>My biggest problem with these members who hem and haw about earmarks is that they are so disingenious and I have a really hard time respecting them on this issue.  They know their counterparts are going to request earmarks and their state will get taken care of so they can do their political grandstanding.  When I see a Senator or a Congressman go to the floor of their respective body and offer amendments to strip earmarks that help their consitiuents then I will have respect for them.  But the problem is, Senator Coburn or McCain or whoever will NEVER go down and offer amendments to strip every earmark that helps their state. Why?  Because they know it would be political suicide and the people of their state they were elected to represent would not be happy campers. They will simply attack other states and then run to a press conference.  </p>
<p>In the end, you have three options.  One, allow Congress to control the purse strings.  Two allow the Executive Branch to control the purse strings (ie career employees, who are unaccountable and unelected).  Three, just don&#8217;t spend the money, which depending on how you define an earmark could largely shrink the federal government, while stifling economic growth and trade.
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		<title>by: Fritz McGee</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7753</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7753</guid>
					<description>If I had to pick between letting &quot;bureacrats&quot; spend $250 million on whatever they wish or letting corrupt politicians spend $250 million on a Bridge to Nowhere, I would opt to not spend the money.  Crazy!

Also, I do not work in Washington.  I am a music teacher and I teach flute lessons in my spare time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to pick between letting &#8220;bureacrats&#8221; spend $250 million on whatever they wish or letting corrupt politicians spend $250 million on a Bridge to Nowhere, I would opt to not spend the money.  Crazy!</p>
<p>Also, I do not work in Washington.  I am a music teacher and I teach flute lessons in my spare time.
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7735</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/11/21/demint-coburn-pull-senate-plug-on-pork-spending/#comment-7735</guid>
					<description>Oh so you're one of those.  Good answer, let's just abolish the federal government - that'll be great for the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh so you&#8217;re one of those.  Good answer, let&#8217;s just abolish the federal government - that&#8217;ll be great for the country.
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