Comments on: Tancredo challenged on immigration tactics http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/ Politics, policy, media, culture...missives from Capitol Hill Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: TimChapmanBlog.com » Blog Archive » Pence losing base at border? http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-3146 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:29:11 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-3146 [...] This is the same group who attacked Pence after he announced his proposal as a “former conservative hero.” That attack prompted some to challenge Tancredo on his my-way-or-the-highway approach to immigration reform. [...] […] This is the same group who attacked Pence after he announced his proposal as a “former conservative hero.” That attack prompted some to challenge Tancredo on his my-way-or-the-highway approach to immigration reform. […]

]]> by: Todd Meyer http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1946 Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:29:38 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1946 Full disclosure here, I\'m Greg Garrison\'s radio producer. I also was Mike Pence\'s radio producer before he ran for congress in 2000. The interview you heard, was set up through ABC Radio to promote Tancredo\'s book. We were fortunate to have him for back-to-back 10 minute hits (usually limited to one). In producing the \"Garrison\" program for the past 9 years, this is the first time we haven\'t received a book to review before an interview (and we still haven\'t received the book) - so Mr. Tancredo\'s comments of \"I thought we were here to talk about my book\" does not tell the whole story. Greg does not discuss books he hasn\'t had a chance to at least skim through. Our contacts at ABC said this was the fault of the Tancredo folks (whether that means the publisher, staff or whomever, I don\'t know). The point that I find interesting, is that Tancredo basically disavows his own PAC. In regard to the comment above of \"As far as Buchanan goes, I don’t pay any attention to him whatsoever and I don’t lump Tancredo in with him.\" You should pay attention. Bay Buchanan runs the Team America PAC. I agree, Tom Tancredo has been a great leader in trying to shut down illegal immigration. However, let\'s not be afraid to \"connect the dots\" with whom Mr. Tancredo is allied with. In that group you will find Pat Buchanan - who compared Pence to the double-crossing Tessio in \"The Godfather\", Joe Farah of WorldNetDaily fame - who basically published lies in his scathing attack on Pence, and Rep. Steve King of Iowa - who compared Pence to disgraced baseball player \"Shoeless\" Joe Jackson in his National Review Online column. Not nice stuff - and all these folks fall in line with the Tancredo camp. Towards the end of the interview, Mr. Tancredo says that he doesn\'t trust Homeland Security (the Administration) to verify the border is secured (which under the Pence Plan would be after 2 years or when it can be verified - whichever comes second) - he said they would lie. It is quite obvious that Mr. Tancredo is not interested in hearing any other opinions in regards to this problem. From what I have heard from Mr. Tancredo, the only person who can do this job, is Mr. Tancredo - or should we say, President Tancredo? Mr. Tancredo has let his main issue consume him to the point of being deaf to all other opinions. I believe that where he sees a reasonable argument contrary to his own, he feels he must attack (or have others do so for him) those that have alternatives to his own ideas. To say this is worse than the Senate bill is false and insincere. Finally, I do not agree with the whole of the Pence Plan. I specifically have problems with the guest worker program (I am more along the lines of Victor Davis Hanson\'s point of view on this). However, I\'m not going insinuate nasty things about Mr. Pence\'s character. Mike Pence is one of the finest men I know. He is a good and decent man. Shame on Mr. Tancredo (and friends) for trying to dirty his image. Best, Todd Meyer Producer - \"Garrison\" Full disclosure here, I\’m Greg Garrison\’s radio producer. I also was Mike Pence\’s radio producer before he ran for congress in 2000. The interview you heard, was set up through ABC Radio to promote Tancredo\’s book. We were fortunate to have him for back-to-back 10 minute hits (usually limited to one). In producing the \”Garrison\” program for the past 9 years, this is the first time we haven\’t received a book to review before an interview (and we still haven\’t received the book) - so Mr. Tancredo\’s comments of \”I thought we were here to talk about my book\” does not tell the whole story. Greg does not discuss books he hasn\’t had a chance to at least skim through. Our contacts at ABC said this was the fault of the Tancredo folks (whether that means the publisher, staff or whomever, I don\’t know).
The point that I find interesting, is that Tancredo basically disavows his own PAC. In regard to the comment above of \”As far as Buchanan goes, I don’t pay any attention to him whatsoever and I don’t lump Tancredo in with him.\” You should pay attention. Bay Buchanan runs the Team America PAC.
I agree, Tom Tancredo has been a great leader in trying to shut down illegal immigration. However, let\’s not be afraid to \”connect the dots\” with whom Mr. Tancredo is allied with. In that group you will find Pat Buchanan - who compared Pence to the double-crossing Tessio in \”The Godfather\”, Joe Farah of WorldNetDaily fame - who basically published lies in his scathing attack on Pence, and Rep. Steve King of Iowa - who compared Pence to disgraced baseball player \”Shoeless\” Joe Jackson in his National Review Online column. Not nice stuff - and all these folks fall in line with the Tancredo camp.
Towards the end of the interview, Mr. Tancredo says that he doesn\’t trust Homeland Security (the Administration) to verify the border is secured (which under the Pence Plan would be after 2 years or when it can be verified - whichever comes second) - he said they would lie.
It is quite obvious that Mr. Tancredo is not interested in hearing any other opinions in regards to this problem. From what I have heard from Mr. Tancredo, the only person who can do this job, is Mr. Tancredo - or should we say, President Tancredo? Mr. Tancredo has let his main issue consume him to the point of being deaf to all other opinions. I believe that where he sees a reasonable argument contrary to his own, he feels he must attack (or have others do so for him) those that have alternatives to his own ideas. To say this is worse than the Senate bill is false and insincere.
Finally, I do not agree with the whole of the Pence Plan. I specifically have problems with the guest worker program (I am more along the lines of Victor Davis Hanson\’s point of view on this). However, I\’m not going insinuate nasty things about Mr. Pence\’s character. Mike Pence is one of the finest men I know. He is a good and decent man. Shame on Mr. Tancredo (and friends) for trying to dirty his image.

Best,

Todd Meyer
Producer - \”Garrison\”

]]> by: Red Hunter http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1945 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:19:47 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1945 John- I'm curious: what are the parts of Mike Pence's plan that you think stink so much? If I recall correctly, his bill contains the entire House-passed border security bill and the Homeland Security Secretary would have to certify that the border is secure before the guest worker program he proposes would begin. Red Hunter John-

I’m curious: what are the parts of Mike Pence’s plan that you think stink so much? If I recall correctly, his bill contains the entire House-passed border security bill and the Homeland Security Secretary would have to certify that the border is secure before the guest worker program he proposes would begin.

Red Hunter

]]> by: John Hawkins http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1943 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:06:00 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1943 I don't believe Pence has sold out to "external interests" at all. To tell you the truth, I think Pence's plan is too Libertarian/"open bordersish." IMO, that is where he has gone wrong. I also like Mike Pence a lot. I'd even consider voting for him in the primary if he ran for President in 2008. But, his plan is a real stinker and I'm seeing more than a few people who seem to be buying into it just because Mike Pence is offering it up. That's why I'm glad Tanc and Team America are roughing him up a little bit on the issue. As far as Buchanan goes, I don't pay any attention to him whatsoever and I don't lump Tancredo in with him. Although Tanc is tough on illegal immigration, he has never struck me as a Paleocon. I don’t believe Pence has sold out to “external interests” at all. To tell you the truth, I think Pence’s plan is too Libertarian/”open bordersish.” IMO, that is where he has gone wrong.

I also like Mike Pence a lot. I’d even consider voting for him in the primary if he ran for President in 2008. But, his plan is a real stinker and I’m seeing more than a few people who seem to be buying into it just because Mike Pence is offering it up. That’s why I’m glad Tanc and Team America are roughing him up a little bit on the issue.

As far as Buchanan goes, I don’t pay any attention to him whatsoever and I don’t lump Tancredo in with him. Although Tanc is tough on illegal immigration, he has never struck me as a Paleocon.

]]> by: Tim http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1940 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:18:26 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1940 John, good to have you commenting over here! I am not disagreeing with Tancredo on policy -- although I do have a few quams with his position -- so much as I am with tone. In my opinion Tancredo has no right to declare Pence a "former conservative hero." He can try all he wants to distance himself from his PAC which operates under his name, but that is parsing at best. Also, you seem to imply that Pence is using his reputation as a solid conservative to push a plan that is unworthy of being promoted by such a person. The implication is that Pence has sold out to external interests that true conservatives would not be compelled by. But that implication is essentially an accusation -- the accusation being: Mr. Pence, you do not really believe in the compromise plan you are pushing, you are just politically positioning yourself. Perhaps I am reading too much into your argument...forgive me if I am. My position essentially boils down to this: if anyone has earned the right to be heard by conservatives Pence has. If he is operating in good faith, which I believe he is, then he should not be shouted down by fellow Republicans just because they disagree with him on this issue. John, good to have you commenting over here!

I am not disagreeing with Tancredo on policy — although I do have a few quams with his position — so much as I am with tone. In my opinion Tancredo has no right to declare Pence a “former conservative hero.” He can try all he wants to distance himself from his PAC which operates under his name, but that is parsing at best.

Also, you seem to imply that Pence is using his reputation as a solid conservative to push a plan that is unworthy of being promoted by such a person. The implication is that Pence has sold out to external interests that true conservatives would not be compelled by. But that implication is essentially an accusation — the accusation being: Mr. Pence, you do not really believe in the compromise plan you are pushing, you are just politically positioning yourself. Perhaps I am reading too much into your argument…forgive me if I am.

My position essentially boils down to this: if anyone has earned the right to be heard by conservatives Pence has. If he is operating in good faith, which I believe he is, then he should not be shouted down by fellow Republicans just because they disagree with him on this issue.

]]> by: John Hawkins http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1939 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:11:08 +0000 http://timchapmanblog.com/2006/07/05/tancredo-challenged-on-immigration-tactics/#comment-1939 The Pence plan is worse than the Senate Immigration plan in many respects. If Tancredo is hammering him because of it, good, because Pence has offered up a truly awful plan is using his great reputation to sell it. The more people Tom Tancredo tells about it, the better. The Pence plan is worse than the Senate Immigration plan in many respects. If Tancredo is hammering him because of it, good, because Pence has offered up a truly awful plan is using his great reputation to sell it. The more people Tom Tancredo tells about it, the better.

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